The Conversations of Substance podcast series asks difficult questions and suggests multiple answers to complex issues around people’s health with respect to their substance use. CAPSA's guest interviews are conversational rather than confrontational but that doesn’t mean you won’t hear controversial ideas. Join them every two weeks for a new episode as they explore Conversations of Substance. In this episode, Vera Etches joins CAPSA host Gord Garner. Dr. Etches joins CAPSA to talk about stigma, systems change, meaningful partnership with people with lived/living experience (PWLLE) and how to make sure that the impact of change can be tracked.